May 7, 2009

WWJD: Waterboarding terrorists v. aborting children… hmm

Can someone explain to me why those who are against waterboarding a terrorist and usually the same people who are cool with aborting innocent children? Had to love, love, love this exchange the other day on Larry King between Ann Coulter and the View's far-left co-host Joy Behar.

Behar: OK. All right. I want to know if you want to be waterboarded, because Sean Hannity has volunteered to be waterboarded, but I don't see him sticking his head under the faucet yet.

Coulter: Well, for one thing, about half of the male hosts on Fox News have been waterboarded on TV. I've seen worse on Fear Factor. And, no, I don't want to be waterboarded. Do you want to be…

Behar: Are you sure?

Coulter: Do you want to be aborted, because I think you support abortion? In fact, could we abort the terrorists instead of waterboarding them?

Behar: Oh, that was quite a jump. But you know what; Ann's taking your calls tonight.

Coulter: No, it's not.

Beautiful!

It is amusing to me to follow the hypocritically pious moralizing of the abortion-loving left right now as they scratch their heads at the new Pew Forum study showing committed Christians are the group most in favor of the use of measured "torture" on suspected terrorists, namely waterboarding. Some grace should be given these hypocritically pious moralizers because they apparently have no concept of the real Jesus of the Bible nor is it apparent that have they any measurable Biblical literacy or foundation in Christian ethics. They assert that Jesus would never be for waterboarding. However, if it meant saving an innocent life, I'm not sure waterboarding would bother him in the least. Remember, he's the one who said having a rope tied around your neck and being dumped into the depth of the waters is preferable over hurting just one of these little ones. They ought to read sometime what the Bible says Jesus is going to do on his return. O my.

Part of the service I've been providing on this blog is to spell out a Biblical worldview on stuff like this as it pertains to the high value of innocent human life. Numerous times I feel like I'm back in seminary ethics classes as I see people debating matters like these while standing on no moral foundation. Here's the kind of thing that gets discussed in those ethics classes…

Let's say someone breaks into a school full of children, plants a bomb somewhere to go off in three minutes and is apprehended by a police officer on the way out. What actions would Jesus and the Bible justify? (Remember in Romans 13 the Bible explains how God delegated sword-wielding life/death authority to governing officials - police, etc - here what that verse goes on to say… "But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.")  So here's the question: Would Jesus justify the police officer putting the full weight of his knee into the bombers neck while twisting his arm off in an effort to get the terrorist to reveal the bombs location? 

Remember 911. Those who are interested to pursue this level of understanding in Christian ethics ought to look next at what theologians call the sins of omission. Those are the sins we commit when we don't do whatever is in our power to do to stop horrible evils and or help another human being in peril.

And to the rest of yous, quit moralizing those who support things like waterboarding all the while you are happy to dismember living human beings in their mothers wombs. Why is this so hard to grasp?

And don't read more into this than I've expressly said - I'm commenting on waterboarding, not extreme torture methods, nor any form of retributive or retaliatory physical torture for torture's sake. I'm not in favor of the end justifying the means. I'm commenting on the justifiable use of measured physical force to save innocent human life. Period.

Unlike the pro-aborts, I abhor torturing unborn human beings. It's a no-brainer there in terms of WWJD.

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May 7, 2009

Travis @ 9:35 am

Steve -

I think you hit the nail on the head with their hypocrisy.

I think it was Kelsey, a "Christian" (so she says anyhow), that wrote the other day that her position on abortion is not about the innocent human life inside her, it is about her bodily autonomy, and that is why it is okay to sacrifice the innocent child inside her.

She can thank our zombie friend for her self conviction, that is, if she is truly a Christian anyway. My guess is that she has no conviction over her claim about it being okay to end an innocent human life, which is easily ruled out as being a Christian stance.

Yet, she is against water boarding a villainous terrorist thug, (whom by the way would love nothing more than to saw off her head while she sits naked, blind-folded, and bawling, on video so he can scare the entire world into adopting his form of Sharia Law), in order to stop other terrorist thugs from committing heinous crimes against our citizens while we go about our daily lives!

It is amazing to me how they attempt to separate their morality into categories based on the world’s ideology, and the positions they have adopted from the people of which they clearly IDOLIZE. That sounds like nothing more than plain old fashioned hypocrisy on their part.

Maybe those “Christians” should apply the WWJD to their own lives and positions before they start on the rest of society. Girls, take the plank out of your eye before looking at the specs in your brother’s eye. Maybe if you did that your eyes would be opened for a change.

Here is a hint on how you could find out what Jesus would actually do (Start by actually reading a Bible).

Some Dude @ 10:27 am

villainous terrorist thug, (whom by the way would love nothing more than to saw off her head while she sits naked, blind-folded, and bawling, on video so he can scare the entire world into adopting his form of Sharia Law

Interesting fantasy you have. Are you friends with Bill Napoli?

Travis @ 12:37 pm

Dude -

Fantasy? You better open your eyes son. If you believe that is a fantasy, you are stumbling around the world mostly asleep.

You must have never seen huge crowds of fanatical Islamic Thugs screaming kill the infidel, kill the infidel, kill the infidel… Who do you think the infidel is? It is YOU, and it is me, and it is all of the people who are not Muslim.

You must have slept through them showing off their indoctrination of their children, pounding hate in them from the day of their birth…

You must have missed the television programming in Terrorist nations, where they present Jews and Americans as Satan, and or blood thirsty murders that target Muslim children for sacrifice.

Oh and you must have missed one of their favorite forms of execution… a knelt down, blindfolded, slow beheading. That is right next to their first favorite form… Strap a bag of bombs and nails to a little child and send them into a bus, or a shopping center, or to a busy area of town, and then detonate themselves.

Some Dude @ 2:10 pm

Travis -
No, I understand the mentality and the methods of terrorists. My brother spent a year hunting them in Iraq.
My comment was directed at your own fantasy of seeing Kelsey kneeling naked and blindfolded while some midevel holdover saws her head off.
It just made me wonder if you're friends with Bill Napoli.

Steve @ 2:19 pm

Travis - Some Dude is trying to twist your comments into something weird and sexual. Remember, these are the folks who giggle at the mention of a tea bag. And he expects you to remember the fuss the pro-aborts raised over SD lawmaker Bill Napoli's description of rape a few years ago - so descript the pro-aborts proported that he was describing an x-rated fantasy he had. I see it's made the urban dictionary already. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bill+napoli

Travis @ 3:36 pm

Steve –

It is disturbing and probably speaks volumes to some dudes character that sex even popped into his mind in that disgusting description.

My intent in writing what I wrote was to personalize the nature of what she wants to protect, and the end results of that protection (more heinous crimes against us). Doing this made me really think about Kelsey’s position on abortion and terrorists. Here are my thoughts.

The relationship between a mother and her child and the child and his/her mother is unbelievably special. In fact, it is probably as close to the model of the unconditional love that Jesus modeled for us during his life, and especially during his death; as we can get in relationship to one another.

With that being said on the other side of the spectrum, the relationship of the terrorist to all of us Non-Muslims is more akin to the model of relationship that Satan portrays to El-Shadai. In that relationship he models nothing other than pure hatred, disdain for all things God Loves, and he desires the ultimate destruction of God’s Creation.

It frightens me that there are people in our society that probably truly believe they are Christians, (probably because one of their descendants was a Christian), but have no idea what it means to be a Christian. I can’t even imagine how much damage they do to the image of Christ when their actions and their hearts are in line with Satan’s plan against God.

They fight as hard as they can to destroy the one thing on this earth that models Our Messiah’s Love the closest, then turn around and fight with the same vigor to protect one of the things on our planet that is very closely aligned to Satan’s Model of distain for us, God’s children.

Some Dude –

A couple things come to mind from your comment about my post. First is advice, the second is a question.

1) Since sex is the first thing you thought about when reading my post of a somewhat accurate representation of the absolute hatred that Terrorists have for all of us, that emulates their desire to break us, then brutalize and humiliate us, during their process of a public execution in a manner that should turn your stomach. – You seriously should seek counseling!

2) Are you registered with your local law enforcement agency?

Sorry about the double post - I lost the first part of my post.

Some Dude @ 3:44 pm

Boy you guys are sure good at pinning down my personal beliefs, thoughts, motivations, and possible criminal history. This is all the therapy I need.
I understand completely the hatred terrorists have for us, which is why I oppose things that serve as a terrorist recruiting tool. Case in point: Gitmo. Another case in point: the Iraq war.
Am I to understand from this post and the replies from Steve and Travis that you condone torture (as defined by international agreements)? Who would Jesus waterboard?

May 8, 2009

Travis @ 7:56 am

DUDE -

Who would Jesus water-board?

I believe water-boarding will be preferred by those who meet his wrath on his return! I don’t think it will be that comfortable for all of those who are in his way, especially the ones who hurt the children, and yes a baby in the womb is a child.

In the bible he is very specific about the penalty for that.

What say you?

Some Dude @ 2:50 pm

Boy you sure love thinking about other people being punished.

Personally, it saddens me that anyone would turn away from God and risk the punshment. But I can't force people to Christ. That was tried before too - with torture.
However, nothing in Jesus' teachings would lead me to believe that he'd condone torture - even if it's physically harmless.

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