SD post-abortive mom Tiffany Campbell goes national in quest for atonement

…and how many women must be stigmatized and oppressed in Leslee Unruh's national quest for atonement?

Cory-
Answer…. None. Jesus' shed blood atoned for Leslee's participation in the taking of an innocent human life. And, she is out helping women exploited by abortion. Every day of the week women hurt by abortion show up at her door for help and they get it.

If you feel that "I always considered myself pro-choice." directly contradicts saying "I'm not really for abortion." then maybe a recap on the definition of "choice" is necessary for you.

It is perfectly logical for a woman to not feel that abortion would be the right *choice* for *herself personally*, and yet still believe that it is NOT her right, nor the right of anyone else, to take the right of *being ABLE to make that choice* away from *ANYONE*.

That is what choice MEANS. It does NOT mean "Hey, I'm 'pro-choice', so that means I'll always have abortions!" It means "I'm pro-choice, and I believe in a woman's right to make the choices and decisions for her own medical health and her body."

Pro-choice = We support women, all women, period. Whether you choose abortion, or whether you choose to have the baby, that is YOUR right, YOUR choice, and you have our support and medical assistance, both prenatal and AFTER the child is born.

I was extremely pro-life for years, and then I woke up and came to my senses. No, I've never had an abortion, I've simply come to realize how hypocritical the other pro-lifers are, how hateful and bigoted and truly anti-choice they are. It's not that they're for life, you're against the rights of a woman to decide what to do with her own body.

You deny birth control but support vigara. You protest outside clinics, but use them yourselves when your daughters get knocked up. You're all for the fetus, and want to take affordable health care away from the women.

I will forever regret with a sick feeling in my stomach my time spent thinking those who believed in my right to choose were wrong and evil.

They believe in YOUR right to choose NOT to have an abortion too. If you want to have your baby, that's awesome. We don't WANT to see children dead. But we do want to see women healthy and capable of being the mother the children need.

Wake up.

"I'm not really for abortion" is completely compatable with "I always considered myself pro-choice." It is entirely possibly to be personally opposed to abortion and politically pro-choice. I've known many women who said they wouldn't ever personally have an abortion but politically didn't think it should not be an option for other women. I've known a few women who said they could never do it then found themselves in situations where they chose to end a pregnancy (even anti-abortion activists and street counselors have been known to have abortions and hate their providers and the other women seeking abortions as if theirs were the only ones that were legitimate).

I've met many, many women who have had abortions, and none of them seem to be as disturbed and upset as you make them out to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think the Stupak amendment changed the right to kill unborn children laws. It just doesn't require our tax dollars to pay for the killings. So, what is Tiffany Campbell blathering about now? Her baby would not have died under the Stupak amendment. Besides being the poster child for the abortion worshipers of America, she is also a chronic liar.

Suzanne- didn't read your whole comment because I don't need a lecture on what you think pro-choice means. It's been widely established that those who sell abortions offer women NO other choices.

Pro-choice means you are OK with 4500 babies a day dying. It is synonymous with the word death.

Carolyn - IS it entirely possible to be "personally" against abortion but politically FOR it? Is it? Either it's a human life and it's wrong or it's not. Keep politics out of it.

I used to think like you did, Steve. You have my prayers and my sympathy, for being so blind and deceived. I pray that the Lord above will be able to reach you and open your heart to the truth. I thank Him every day of my life that I am no longer blinded on the path of hatred and deception.

SH - Hatred? You must be new here because this is "South Dakota's most loving blog." I'd ask you why do you hate pre-born children?

@'Friend' You ARE wrong. The Stupak amendment would also prevent private insurance companies- people with whom your precious tax dollars have nothing to do with- from providing this service, regardless of the reason for obtaining it.

Her baby would've died under the Stupak amendment, because she would not have been able to afford the abortion of one twin to save the other, and both would've died. Bravo, your narrow-minded bigotry would've damned both kids to death.

And if she'd somehow come up with the funds to shoulder the full costs of the abortion, her already existing children would've suffered a massive loss of quality of life because of the financial burden it would've placed on the family.

You aren't pro-life, you're just against a woman having a right to choose what the hell happens to her body. Whatever happened to mercy for the meek? Do you not give two winks about the quality of the life you're wanting to force people to have? Or do you just think that they should live, no matter how cruel it would be to make them?

We show more damn mercy to our dogs and cats than we do our children under your logic.

Oh, by the way, wanna guess how many of your tax dollars are wasted taking care of children of poor women who were unable to get an abortion? Betcha it's a higher number than would be used to help fund abortions. Just sayin'.

Before you pull the God card, remember not to sell God short. God, in all His wisdom and COMPASSION and mercy and knowledge, WOULD UNDERSTAND if a woman chose to have an abortion. He's not a narrow-minded asshole like you.

Suzanne and Carolyn,
I'm personally against that guy gunning down four policemen in Washington state yesterday. However, who am I to say that guy shouldn't have been able to do it? After all, that is HIS right, HIS choice. What is the difference, besides the size of the victims?

Keep politics out of it? Aren't you putting politics right into it? If it's personal, keep politics out of it! But instead you try to make laws restricting constitutional rights. Until the 1820s, no state outlaws abortion. It was common law up to quickening. Abortion and contraception have been a part of women's lives since ancient times. The only point of abortion laws is to outlaw safe abortion; abortion will continue to happen. There's -nothing- you can do to prevent that.

I didn't say I was personally pro-life and politically pro-choice; I said I know women who are (and men, for that matter; The Daily Show's Jon Stewart is one). I've known many religious people who don't like abortion, who work to prevent abortion, but they are still politically pro-choice because it's a matter for the church, not Congress.

Why do you rail against Tiffany? Her choice was to lose one or to lose both. If it was God's choice to terminate both of them, then is her surviving son a blasphamy against God? Why are you so upset that she's telling the truth about abortion, that it's not black and white?

Jennifer - you are nasty and you've violated my swearing policy so your second comment just got deleted. Go spew your profane heart on your own blog. Here's my favorite line from you…

"God, in all His wisdom and COMPASSION and mercy and knowledge, WOULD UNDERSTAND if a woman chose to have an abortion."

You should read up sometime on what God says about the shedding of innocent blood.

@Steve and yet Stupak is supporting a policy in another country that would make being LGBT a crime punishable by death. The man spearheading removing any sort of birth control from the health bill is supporting the slaughter of innocents elsewhere, people who are not harming another being but are found guilty and condemned to death for simply existing. How is this compassion and not shedding innocent blood?

@'friend' keep politics out of it? The pro-lifers are the ones making it political. You can't have it both ways.

Jennifer,
The Stupak Amendment states that insurers could only sell plans that include abortion to customers who can pay 100 percent of their premiums without government assistance. So, you appear to be the one with incorrect facts. Apologies accepted.

Suzanne - I never said anything about politics. Don't know what you are talking about.

@'Friend' - my apologies. the mouse jumped while scrolling and I didn't catch it. That bit about politics should have been directed to Steve. I attributed the wrong part to the wrong commenter. (I'm still getting used to the built-in scroll line on the touch mouse on my new laptop.)

Carolyn - I should have put the little smilely face by the "keep politics out of it" comment because I meant it more tongue and cheek considering how often I've been told abortion, is/or shouldn't be, political. Like it's predecessor, slavery, it is a moral issue that has been politicized. And like slavery, the morality of this is quite black and white. Since it is now established biological fact that abortion terminates a human life– only those with the slaveholders mindset (that some humans and more human than others) are for it.

Constitutional right to an abortion? Huh? What Constitution is that?

It is a myth that abortion will continue legal or not - Poland banned it and they discovered women weren't stupid enough to resort to a coat hanger. When something is illegal people view it as wrong and don't do it. The numbers used by those who talk about coat hanger abortions pre-1973 have been proven as fictitious as the numbers we are seeing now with Climate-gate.

I'm not railing on Tiffany Campbell. Everyone feels bad about her situation but she's been exploited, used, and lied to and I've posted twice on these facts. I've never suggested, as you have, that her selective termination was "blasphamy against God" or even something she would need forgiveness for - ethically and morally it would seem clear that it was a medical necessity to save two other lives. (That is, assuming as I do that the rumors out there to the contrary about her situation aren't true.)

When I talk of atonement with reference to her situation it's in the sense that it's too bad more innocent blood has to get shed to make up for her own profound and justifiable sense of loss. There wouldn't be bloodguilt on a moms hands for a TTTS selective reduction but, in this case this mom could have helped stop over 600+ birth-control-abortions in our state this year. That blood IS on her hands. And now she is going national on a campaign to see unbridled tax payer dollars get behind a dark blood-thirsty cartel that sets monthly kill-quota's for their chop shops.

As here in SD in 2008, this is SO not about whether a baby in her situation would live or die.

Ha! I just discovered "suzanne" and "jennifer" are the same person. It's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde right here on Voices Carry! Both are now blocked.

Private insurance company execs have said Stupak will pretty much keep them from covering abortion as they have for many years (even the GOP's plan covered elective abortion). http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120406487 It goes beyond the Hyde Amendment about federal money not being used for abortion.

Millions of women worldwide have abortions every year, about half of which are illegal. What really makes you think it'll stop if it's made illegal? It's illegal to speed, but people still do. Even when abortion was illegal in the US, people still had abortions. Where's the myth in hard facts?

Roe v. Wade said it's a constitutional matter which Planned Parenthood v. Casey reaffirmed as part of the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, and there have been several other court cases since then that have reaffirmed this. In the years immediately after Roe, the abortion rate went up. However, it has been going down since 1980 and has been pretty stable since the late 90s.

It is a private medical matter. Any other medical procedures you wish to outlaw? Looking at the links on your right hand bar, I might guess birth control pills as well.

Steve, I'm always amazed at the venomous anger spewed by the pro-abortion camp in your blog. It seems anyone with a moral compass to follow biblical teaching is "Hateful" or "Narrow-minded". What was it that Jesus said about the wide-road and the narrow-path?

PC - venom is a good word to describe Suzanne/Jennifer. False representation, shifting poisonous tongue. Angry.

Carolyn - The myth came forth when NARAL's co-founder Bernard Nathanson admitted NARAL made up abortion stats to sell an ideology to America, or in his words…"to export our pro-abortion mentality across the land." The entire abortion industry is based on deception.

I've written here on these false fears you all spread about how bad it'll be without "access" to abortion. http://www.voicescarryblog.com/false-fears-spreading-about-inaccessible-abortion-in-south-dakota/ In that post I also included this chart and this comment - "As this chart shows, "back-alley" abortion deaths weren't a big problem back in 1973, and given today's medical technology and availability, the number of women actually dying from self-induced abortions would be even fewer today."

And so Carolyn, back to your manner of reasoning, let's make it legal to speed, rape, steal, murder because people will do it anyway. Please tell me you see the necessity of moral law.

No Constitutional right to abortion in the 14th Amendment.

I didn't say anything about botched abortion related deaths. Women will have abortions whether or not they're legal.

There's also no constitutional right to marriage nor a constitutional right (or requirement) for a fetus to be carried to term.

I just don't understand how it is at all moral to force a woman to continue a pregnancy, especially since most of the women who have abortions do so to ensure a better life for the children they already have. I have a friend who is alive because her mother aborted the pregnancy before she was conceived (it's the way the math worked; she wouldn't have existed, period). But that's one of the fundamental differences between those of us who support a woman's right to choose, including abortion, and those who don't. Your focus is on the fetus; ours is on the woman. We don't choose to kill a baby; we choose our current families.

But that doesn't change the premise of my original comment: Tiffany's two statements (one from the IM11 campaign and her current one) are not opposed and can co-exist (and quite often do). Additionally, what makes you think she's not at peace?

The pro-life position doesn't force pregnant women to have babies, they already have them. It may seem as you say the pro-aborts are (selfishly) focused only on the woman not the child, but I'd also add the abortion stores are really and truly all about the money, not the women. The SD Task Force on Abortion uncovered and documented that women in SD are told to lie down and shut up, they are medicated to quiet them, they sign consent forms before talking to a doctor, and they have no access to a doctor after the "procedure" and the vacuum tech cartel offers no follow up care and keeps no records on their well-being. What a LIE that pro-aborts care about women. Geesh.

I love the line… can't we love them both?

Read Tiffany's article and it's painfully evident she's not at peace - she writes that deep unhealed wounds still exist. I'm friends with MANY healed post-abortive women and when they tell their stories they aren't always reliving the pain Tiffany is expressing. And, there are other two reasons that lead me to conclude she's not a peace. I'll only share one… there is only a temporary false peace for those who are so brazenly complicit in the shedding of innocent blood. And the false peace of denial isn't peace.

Tiffany is either being mislead or is highly deceptive, again. Her first claim in that IM 11 would have prevented her from having her procedure done to treat TTTS was a lie. Now, for her to claim her baby would have died under the Stupek amendment is just as much of an outright lie.

As a matter of fact, Carolyn herself states in her entry at 5:10 that " Private insurance company execs have said Stupak will pretty much keep them from covering abortion as they have for many years". Notice the part about "for many years." The Stupek amendment keeps the status quo. Tiffany was able to get her procedure done then, as she would be able to do in the future with the Stupek amendment.

The real issue is this, as so finely authored by Suzanne at 4:10-The man spearheading removing any sort of birth control from the health bill is …." Notice how abortion is equated with birth control. The pro aborts want tax payer dollars paying for abortion as a form of birth control.

Sad how they will use deception to further their death agenda. If abortion is such a great thing , an obvious solution to so many problems and only for the enlightened to fully grasp, why do the pro aborts need to use deception to win their case?

So, Googles tells me Carolyn Marie Fugit is from Wichita and a big fan of Tiller the Killer ( http://feministsforchoice.com/scott-roeders-first-day-in-court.htm ). Carolyn and I have at least two things in common 1) We both think killing Tiller was wrong. 2) We are both native Kansans.

However, the second to the last sentence in her article on Tiller's killer seems eerily religious to me… "Dr. Tiller died for me."

Make no mistake, abortion (blood sacrifice) is very religious and Tiller was a high priest administering the holy sacrament of the godless left - abortion (aka child sacrifice which is basically— let's sacrifice this one with hopes that the rest of us can have a better life).

Pastor Steve, so we meet again!

Tiffany is just as genuine in her position and in support of her cause as you are in yours. You might not agree with her position but to question her motives and her need for "atonement" is out of line.

I don't doubt the sincerity of your views on abortion or why you believe that way. Give your opponent the same due.

And how about those Vikings!

Todd

Todd- I thought you were a Chiefs fan?

The thing is, it's not like we merely have different views on tax policy. Human life is at stake. And just like with Dave Volk and his manipulative sad cancer story, no one is allowed to challenge Campbell's story without being accused of crossing the line. It's the old- I have a sad story therefore I am right tactic. Pure manipulation if you ask me.

Is it okay to question a political opponents motives if the motive is money? Yes. Happens all the time. But if the motive is to resolve/atone for something in the past it's over the line to say so?? I'm guilty.

People say American soldiers die for us and our freedoms. Is that also religious? Are we worshiping American soldiers or war? Are we worshipping the shedding of innocent (meaning civilian) blood? Why is it saying Dr. Tiller died for me (he was murdered by a man who thought, among other things, I don't have a right over my body) at all religious?

I'm trying to figure out where you get all your information about the cartels you mention. The women I know who have had abortions don't relay the same stories you do. And how is it selfish for women to consider -their kids already born-?

If private insurance plans cover abortion now and that would change under Stupak, how is that maintaining the status quo? When you change something or revert it to a previous state, you are not maintaining the status quo.

Tiffany lost a child she was looking forward to because he was sick. That's what appears to be painful when she speaks. It's also painful to have people like you constantly harangue her over her decision to stand up for herself and other women. Abortion is not painful: you say you've met "post-abortive" women who are hurting, and I say I've met many women who have had abortions who are not hurting. It isn't abortion that's hurting Tiffany.

I'm also still trying to figure out why you say Tiffany is being used. She had a sad event in her life propel her into activism. Why is she being used but you're not?

Carolyn - I'll take a moment here and explain the obvious. Your comment, like it or not, sounds religious because the common use of that phrase is that "Jesus died for me." Yea, yea yea we all know a soldier can lay his/her life down for another and you probably meant it that way but abortion IS religious, it IS a blood sacrament for the godless left, and your comment displaces Jesus and exalts one of the most wicked and despicable human beings to a savior status.

Really? Are you really trying to figure out where I get my information on the abortion cartel? Read something beside the propaganda of the abortion industry - read Killer Angel, read Grand Illusions. Watch Maafa 21 or Blood Money. Watch a sonogram, listen to a heartbeat - hold a child. It's ridiculous that you play so naive and act like this industry isn't the monster it is. You package death in your sweetness and I'm going to pray God shows you the dark reality of this in a dream.

And really, really, why are you pro-aborts so blind to, dismissive of, mean about, and callous to the pain of women who say abortion hurt them?

Read my first post on Campbell if you still don't understand how I see her as being exploited.

Not everyone uses "Jesus died for me". Only 1/6 of the world holds that view. Your view that Jesus died for you is influencing how you see what I wrote as religious. Abortion is not a sacrament to the "godless left" (I know a good many very religious lefties), and even those of us who are godless don't view it at all like a sacrament. Because of your religious perspective, you project your worldview into how we think. Why do you insist I'm using religious framing?

I have read, and still do read, accounts by anti-abortion groups. I also *talk to real women* about their abortion experiences. I'm pro-choice because I *listened to women*. I don't imply women are murderers when I know they were looking out for their children.

I read your first post about Tiffany. I still don't understand why you think, honestly, that she's being exploited. Other than projecting your ideas onto her.

I don't dismiss women who are in pain, but I dismiss the notion that the abortion itself is causing the pain. Just as I dismiss the idea that it is gayness that makes gay people depressed and suicidal. Rather, it is how society (as a whole and local, various communities) treats gay people and women who have had abortions. It is *that* which causes the pain. It is *you* who cause the pain, not men like Dr. Tiller. Tiffany's pain isn't from abortion!

76% of the adults in this nation self-describe themselves as Christian. I'm projecting nothing on your use of that common phrase. The phrase "Jesus died for me" is globally understood. Abortion IS religious, a child is sacrificed on the altar.

Are you seriously telling me that women who say abortion hurt them are mistaken and that it's actually society that hurts them? A good friend of mine used to wake up in the middle of the night crying crawling around her bed frantically looking for her baby and as it dawns on her that the baby is dead. She says you can take a baby from a woman's womb but you can't take the baby from a woman's heart. Her testimony is five years of denial and then triggers set off thoughts about how old the kid would be.

She taught kindergarden and had to quit because that year her child would have been five. She went into a decade long downward spiral that manifest in lots of negative stuff. All thanks to abortion. And those who sold her the abortion STILL OFFER POST-ABORTIVE WOMEN NOTHING. It's unconsciounable and proves it's not about the women. It's about getting $400 for the dead child and the women are out the door to deal with it. And some are just fine. And some aren't. But you, Fugit, are okay playing Russian Roulette with a major medical procedure affecting women and get icy cold toward the gal who gets the bullet.

Society had nothing to do with my friends pain and remorse and grief. The death of a child results in grief. Your insensitivity is shocking but so typical for pro-aborts.

Really, Campbells's pain "isn't from abortion" - she herself says it is. You are obviously not listening to the *women*.

Carolyn, have you ever attended a post abortive women's group? I mean, have you ever really sat down and talked with women who regret their abortion? More than "reading accounts"?

The Stupak amendment is needed to prevent a health care bill from funding abortion with our tax payer dollars. If it is not in the bill, the status quo would not be maintained, as our pro death Congressional leadership would surely solidify abortions for all and for any circumstance (birth control). What really surprises me is that if pro aborts are so confident abortions are needed for women, especially those who can't afford them, why aren't they offering them for free? OK, maybe too much to ask, but at a discount? Oh yeah, I forgot, abortion has nothing to do with profits.

HERE HERE, Momoffour!
I've said the same thing SO MANY TIMES!
And Steve, you're a good man…and I'm sick of pro-abortionists going on and on about how women are being oppressed by not having abortions paid for by tax-dollars, and yet none are offering help to any who regret their decision. It's sick, and to be honest, nearly sadistic. It's as if the best Christmas present for them would be the body of an aborted baby…and it makes me nauseous.